[csaa-forum] who is meatloaf

[John Scannell]

Last thing - in the next election I hope we have a big colour coded 
electoral map of Sydney with the Meatloaf, Celine Dion, Delta Goodrem et 
al constituencies clearly marked out. I should put that to the ABC...
Someone else can approach them with the Freedom furniture, IKEA, David 
Jones electroral boundaries, I am not so strong in the furniture 
judgement area.

John Scannell wrote:

>>
>>
>> Is Meatloaf some sort of iconic representation of a particular 
>> identity with which Latham would like to associate? 
>> (pappa-mummy-Latham?)
>
> Glen - this is what I am trying to figure out. If he was just saying 
> it to 'pass' or if he is 'keeping it real' as we say in the 'hood.
> In regard Derrida quote:
>
>> He jokingly replied (paraphrasing): 'I have only read four books, but 
>> I read them very, very closely'
>
> Fantastic quote Glen...(oh man I am having a good chuckle, although I 
> promised myself that today would be the last day of this...).
>
>> Or could it be that a 'fan' of Meatloaf is indicative of a connection 
>> with whatever assemblage Meatloaf is part (maybe described as 
>> something suburban, masculine, old-economy working class)? Meatloaf 
>> as molar rockpig constellation of intensities molecularised as 
>> becoming-Celine Dion. A becoming-Kath&Kim. I honestly think that 
>> Meatloaf and Dion could sing some of each others songs and they would 
>> sound entirely appropriate.
>>
> First of all I realise that I haven't been a good Deleuzian, and that 
> I have fallen into the trap of 'judgement'...however...Deleuze would 
> understand that such discussion generates much affect with music being 
> one of the most territorialising forces of all...hence...
>
> OK the point for me is to work out whether Latham's preference for 
> Meatloaf relates to either a majoritarian or a minoritarian 
> orientation. I don't know. This is why it is so perplexing for me. 
> Let's say we do ascribe Meatloaf as constituative of the suburban- 
> masculine-old-economy-working class assemblage, then this where Labor 
> it got it wrong...
>
> I would have tried to get the Delta Goodrem-Hills District-KMart 
> Underwear (and yet often still McChurch too) white trash assemblage 
> working for me instead.
>
> I am not sure how Celine Dion fits in all this because I missed the 
> initial reference. Although I know easy listening stars such as Dion 
> are big with the middle class Hong Kong Chinese that I have been told 
> now frequent Sylvania Waters in increasing numbers. So now that we 
> have established this - we can say that Meatloaf would certainly grate 
> upon the Celine Dion (and perhaps any adult audience that Goodrem may 
> have). Which gets me back to my original point that Latham made a big 
> mistake and should have perhaps opted for...I have thought about this.
> I think Kasey Chambers would have worked with her multiple demographic 
> capacity (not that I care for her or her music, but I would have 
> constructed a better story than Meatloaf).
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> Glen Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hey! In response to the voice of yoof (doof doof doof), I am only 25, 
>> too! lol! I just grew up in a suburb where Meatloaf was appreciated.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> But its impossible to name an artist with only 2 albums as 'your 
>>> favourite' unless you have an extremely limited attention span or 
>>> are some kind of masochist. So there is not much to base a thesis 
>>> around, unless Mr. Loaf is used as an icon of some sort of err, lets 
>>> be kind   
>>
>> and  
>>
>>> say 'becoming'-
>>>   
>>
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Because Meatloaf only has two albums, being a Meatloaf fan is somehow 
>> limited or limiting? Hmmm, if such an analogy is approriate, I wonder 
>> how many people would describe themselves as having an extremely 
>> limited attention span or a masochist because they are 
>> monogamous/bigamous? 
>> Is Meatloaf some sort of iconic representation of a particular 
>> identity with which Latham would like to associate? 
>> (pappa-mummy-Latham?)
>> Or is Latham's Meatloaf fandom defined by some sort of limited 
>> textual or intertextual immersion? He couldn't possibly be a fan if 
>> he can only consume two texts... Come on! We all know nerdom is 
>> defined by how much subcultural capital you have. Think of academia! 
>> Although, deploying some nerd-capital, what did Derrida say when 
>> asked how many books he had read from his massive library? He 
>> jokingly replied (paraphrasing): 'I have only read four books, but I 
>> read them very, very closely'
>> Or could it be that a 'fan' of Meatloaf is indicative of a connection 
>> with whatever assemblage Meatloaf is part (maybe described as 
>> something suburban, masculine, old-economy working class)? Meatloaf 
>> as molar rockpig constellation of intensities molecularised as 
>> becoming-Celine Dion. A becoming-Kath&Kim. I honestly think that 
>> Meatloaf and Dion could sing some of each others songs and they would 
>> sound entirely appropriate.
>>
>> Also, for those who didn't know, in the flick _The Castle_ the word 
>> 'rissole' was changed to 'meatloaf' for the US market. Who wants to 
>> start an Australian Meatloaf cover band? Anyone? 
>> Ciao,
>> Glen.
>>
>>  
>>
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