[csaa-forum] who is meatloaf

[John Scannell]

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>Is Meatloaf some sort of iconic representation of a particular identity 
>with which Latham would like to associate? (pappa-mummy-Latham?) 
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Glen - this is what I am trying to figure out. If he was just saying it 
to 'pass' or if he is 'keeping it real' as we say in the 'hood.
In regard Derrida quote:

>He jokingly replied 
>(paraphrasing): 'I have only read four books, but I read them very, 
>very closely' 
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Fantastic quote Glen...(oh man I am having a good chuckle, although I 
promised myself that today would be the last day of this...).

>Or could it be that a 'fan' of Meatloaf is indicative of a connection 
>with whatever assemblage Meatloaf is part (maybe described as something 
>suburban, masculine, old-economy working class)? Meatloaf as molar 
>rockpig constellation of intensities molecularised as becoming-Celine 
>Dion. A becoming-Kath&Kim. I honestly think that Meatloaf and Dion 
>could sing some of each others songs and they would sound entirely 
>appropriate.
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First of all I realise that I haven't been a good Deleuzian, and that I 
have fallen into the trap of 'judgement'...however...Deleuze would 
understand that such discussion generates much affect with music being 
one of the most territorialising forces of all...hence...

OK the point for me is to work out whether Latham's preference for 
Meatloaf relates to either a majoritarian or a minoritarian orientation. 
I don't know. This is why it is so perplexing for me. Let's say we do 
ascribe Meatloaf as constituative of the suburban- 
masculine-old-economy-working class assemblage, then this where Labor it 
got it wrong...

I would have tried to get the Delta Goodrem-Hills District-KMart 
Underwear (and yet often still McChurch too) white trash assemblage 
working for me instead.

I am not sure how Celine Dion fits in all this because I missed the 
initial reference. Although I know easy listening stars such as Dion are 
big with the middle class Hong Kong Chinese that I have been told now 
frequent Sylvania Waters in increasing numbers. So now that we have 
established this - we can say that Meatloaf would certainly grate upon 
the Celine Dion (and perhaps any adult audience that Goodrem may have). 
Which gets me back to my original point that Latham made a big mistake 
and should have perhaps opted for...I have thought about this.
I think Kasey Chambers would have worked with her multiple demographic 
capacity (not that I care for her or her music, but I would have 
constructed a better story than Meatloaf).







Glen Fuller wrote:

>Hey! In response to the voice of yoof (doof doof doof), I am only 25, 
>too! lol! I just grew up in a suburb where Meatloaf was appreciated.
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>>But its impossible to name an artist with only 2 albums as 'your 
>>favourite' unless you have an extremely limited attention span or are 
>>some kind of masochist. So there is not much to base a thesis around, 
>>unless Mr. Loaf is used as an icon of some sort of err, lets be kind 
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>>say 'becoming'-
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>Dear John,
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>Because Meatloaf only has two albums, being a Meatloaf fan is somehow 
>limited or limiting? Hmmm, if such an analogy is approriate, I wonder 
>how many people would describe themselves as having an extremely 
>limited attention span or a masochist because they are 
>monogamous/bigamous?  
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>Is Meatloaf some sort of iconic representation of a particular identity 
>with which Latham would like to associate? (pappa-mummy-Latham?) 
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>Or is Latham's Meatloaf fandom defined by some sort of limited textual 
>or intertextual immersion? He couldn't possibly be a fan if he can only 
>consume two texts... Come on! We all know nerdom is defined by how much 
>subcultural capital you have. Think of academia! Although, deploying 
>some nerd-capital, what did Derrida say when asked how many books he 
>had read from his massive library? He jokingly replied 
>(paraphrasing): 'I have only read four books, but I read them very, 
>very closely' 
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>Or could it be that a 'fan' of Meatloaf is indicative of a connection 
>with whatever assemblage Meatloaf is part (maybe described as something 
>suburban, masculine, old-economy working class)? Meatloaf as molar 
>rockpig constellation of intensities molecularised as becoming-Celine 
>Dion. A becoming-Kath&Kim. I honestly think that Meatloaf and Dion 
>could sing some of each others songs and they would sound entirely 
>appropriate.
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>Also, for those who didn't know, in the flick _The Castle_ the 
>word 'rissole' was changed to 'meatloaf' for the US market. Who wants 
>to start an Australian Meatloaf cover band? Anyone?  
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>Ciao,
>Glen.
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