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<font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Hi Mark, Anna, Jon, and others<br>
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As a former/reformed journal editor, I can’t resist adding ‘hear, hear’ to the points you’ve made.<br>
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Hard to see what the answers are – or rather pat formula — to provide to institutions (though it is recognized to some extent in some workload systems). <br>
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The paradox is plain: editorial work, reviewing, curating, and translation that journals and collections involve is critical to how research is defined and evaluated; but it remains remarkably invisible to reward systems (even if it garners esteem).<br>
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Still lots of fun, though — as well as intellectually and culturally significant.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Gerard Goggin<br>
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On 3/03/11 1:41 PM, "Mark Gibson" <<a rel="nofollow">mark.gibson@monash.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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</span></font><blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Thanks again Anna. One section particularly caught my eye:<br>
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“Some CELJ editors report that it is increasingly difficult to locate appropriate readers for peer review, in some measure because our academic culture does not reward scholars for so doing. Junior scholars report that their administrative heads advise them not to undertake peer reviews or even book reviews except for the most prestigious journals. Such work is considered 'mere service' and (often like journal editing) erased as a significant part of one's professional research or teaching.”<br>
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So it’s not just HERDC and ERA. It’s emerging as an issue in North America too.<br>
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Mark<br>
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On 3/03/11 1:08 PM, "Anna Poletti (Arts)" <<a rel="nofollow">anna.poletti@monash.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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</span></font><blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Just as a follow up to yesterday's discussion, here is comment from then president of the Council of Editors of Learned Journals on journal rankings made in 2009<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.celj.org/fragmentation">http://www.celj.org/fragmentation</a><br>
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Best wishes<br>
Anna<br>
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