[csaa-forum] Re: wanting to be effluent Re: [csaa-forum]respinding to the politics of fear
eleanor.brooker at parliament.vic.gov.au
eleanor.brooker at parliament.vic.gov.au
Thu Oct 14 19:11:16 CST 2004
To me personally?
To be able to understand my relativity. The intellectual fallacy of
objectivity. To be able to deconstruct my values set, people's positioning,
to cut through ideology. To be accepting and resistant. To be incongruent.
To avoid and transcend binary categorisation and labelling. To assume that
this is at least possible.
To recognise the importance of dialogue and at least try to engage in a
modicum of understanding about power, its social role and its shifts.
To always question why do I think what I think and am I right or am I
wrong?
Am I wrong?
I thought that claims to truth, particularly as represented in the meeja
were supposed to be claims one ought to be innately suspicious of? I don't
feel abused and nor do I feel that I have done any abusing.. well no.
Sam's post. I did not laugh and thought it was silly, I said it was not
funny. If there is some deeper meaning, by all means happy to hear it and I
will recant and humbly say 'sorry'.
Abuse, labelling, othering can only be 'discouraged', since it cannot be
'banned' and it is a true reflection of what people are really thinking
which is valuable, but unusual in so far as if there is a group in society
I would have thought would be able to see its innate tendencies,
preferences, predilections and peccadilloes for what they are and step or
get around them, or at least discuss them for what they are, it would be
this one. Perhaps people were being polite?
Does any of this answer your question?
Cultural studies has been the single most formative influence on *me.*
As to the events we are being confounded by, my view is that they reflect
anxiety on all sides. People are anxious. What are they anxious about?
Beyond interest rates? Nostalgia, tradition; past learnings and teachings;
past inscriptions; fear of change; fear of the new;
The only thing we can agree on is that people don't always agree.
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Dear Eleanor,
You make a very interesting contribution. This explosion of discussion
would
really show the value of the list if we could ban abuse altogether and get
on with trying to understand the events which so confound many of us.
Would you like to comment on the value of cultural studies from your
perspective?
Helen
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From: <eleanor.brooker at parliament.vic.gov.au>
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Dear Di,
You don't think it might have been prudent to add that the column you were
reading in the Oz was actually The Diary and that this "article" is more or
less a froth piece sitting right alongside the following?
Humour Czech list
STEVE Price, Sydney's 2UE afternoon host, has no sense of humour. We can
prove it. Talking
about Monday's crocodile attack at a Cape York campsite, Price told his
listeners he was
terrified of being attacked by a crocodile, before opening the talkback
lines. Caller:
``Crocodiles hunt in pairs, and years ago there was a Polish guy and a
Czechoslovakian guy up
in the area, and it was very hot. They decided they'd go in swimming, they
couldn't read the
signs. And all they found was their clothes on the bank. They came looking
for the crocodiles
and they caught the female, opened it up and the Polish bloke was inside,
and they said, `Well,
no worries, the Czech's in the mail'.'' Price: ``Oh, really? God, there's
some shocking stories
involving crocodiles. The things scare the hell out of me.''
Who's fear mongering here?
To me : the following text
ABC party poopers
HOW would you feel if your boss asked you if you were a member of a
political party? Well, that
is precisely what the ABC is doing, insisting radio staff disclose their
political affiliations
as part of annual reviews of their job descriptions. Graeme Thomson, the
secretary of the ABC
staff union, the Community and Public Sector Union, wrote to managing
director Russell Balding
yesterday demanding the national broadcaster ``cease and desist'' from the
practice. ``The
initiative is, in the eyes of the CPSU, naive, ill-considered and
intrusive. The membership or
otherwise of a political party, or of a religious order, Boy Scouts or the
local P&C
Association should be of no concern to the Corporation and are not issues
that the Corporation
has any right to enquire into.'' What's next? Blood tests?
Could feasibly be read as a) left wing propaganda and fear mongering by the
CPSU b) an attempt, clumsy or otherwise, to identify the outside interests
of employees possibly with a view to setting up one of those corporate
social responsibility programs that are so much in vogue with HR
departments on the cutting edge of management 'theory' since reading
between the lines the question was not about political involvement
specifically, but about CIVIL SOCIAL involvement generally. (Political
parties being located in the civil and not the public sphere in governance
ideas and ideals for some reason I don't quite understand) or as a final
option, just very bad invasive, personally intrusive and poorly thought out
internal working policy. Given that the ABC is thoroughly accountable to
the provisions of the Privacy Act and the Equal Opportunity Act, I don't
know that you needed to go so far overboard.
I feel like I am living through the Cold War here.
Time for a reality check.
I have a degree in cultural studies AND I work for a Liberal. Whether that
qualifies me to be consided capable of being intelligent, ethically-aware
or, um, what was the other category that the group uses to indicate what it
takes to be self evident about itself? Oh, yes 'informed' you can draw
your own conclusions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. : )
Between the presumptions as to the who is on the list; BOTH calls to
modify the constitution of democracy in Australia, so that in the future
elections in this country will produce the 'right' result (for whom?) and
the emotive outburts objectifying, demeaning and othering people who
committed the thought crime of expressing difference with your world view -
whatever their reasons and however subjectively or objectively, morally or
immorally, well or badly founded their basis for doing so may have been, I
am having a gay old time laughing at the disparity between what various
people thought would happen at the weekend and what did and the close to
irrational conclusions people are arriving at by way of getting to the
bottom of the 'problem.'
Sam - if your post was supposed to be amusing I seriously suggest you think
long and hard before launching that stand up comedy career. Obviously
university buildings and salaries grow on trees if you think there is
little outlay involved in providing an educational system.
In answer to Tseen : The AEC reports that
Across Australia (there are) 13,021,126 electors enrolled to vote
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/
where the largest segment of the 7Million non enrolled will be children
under the age of 18.
Last, but not least, let me call it to your attention that LABOR
preferencing is what has gotten Family First up in the Senate in Victoria
and into the balance of power nationally. Meaning that if you voted above
the line and not below it, congratulations: you voted conservative.... As
if being 'left' means that you can't fit this category anyway.
So. Thank you for the flurry of posts. Glad to see we are off on another
tangent. I am going back to being a lurker now.
Until next time,
Eleanor Brooker
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Hi Andrew, on spreading fear, Howard sure pushes the buttons of the 'E'
team currently running the ABC. I read in the Oz this morning that at MD
Russell Balding has been insisting that journalists and programmers declare
their political allegiance and declare what political party they belong to,
if any, in their annual performance reviews.
Di
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Hi All,
I must admit I wonder if many of these "reasons" aren't, despite their
reality as phantoms, phantoms nevertheless.
Perhaps it is difficult to talk about the current economies of fear (all
concerning "security" - economic, territorial, the family ? I would add
"cognitive security") because this fear stalks the academic world as much
as anywhere and we could no longer point fingers elsewhere in blame, but
would have to challenge ourselves at this level. Fear ? and a whole complex
machinery surrounding its production and maintenance - seemed to me to be
the clear election winner, the milieu of the election, and Howard's
singular achievement in office. I mean he's made himself the button to push
whenever he likes, and the content is just an afterthought. Fear provides
the reasons most things were said or not said, done or not done ? or maybe
I'm just a scared-y cat and everyone else is thinking clearly ...
If it's not just me, ... the importance of new, alternative economies of
affect that some in the list have mentioned ? Bifo mentioned "love"
recently. I must say I was shocked.
A
On 14/10/04 12:41 PM, "Brett Neilson" <b.neilson at uws.edu.au> wrote:
>Yes francis - I see no necessary direct link at all - things are
>Incidentally my comment re houses was about people in general be
they in
>Liverpool, Balmain, Bankstown or wherever - after all people are
just
>trying to make lives for themselves, and why shouldn't they? ( and I
don't
>believe they are all 'dupes' ( or dopes)).
>Jeannie
>BTW I have the latest Freedom catalogue if anyone wants a quick
rundown
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>I agree, Jeannie. There seems to be a perception that people who
have nice
>a house can't be critical, progressive or 'leftish'. Class/cultural
>capital distinctions do not necessarily correlate with political
>positionalities (or voting behavior) - and even Bourdieu
acknowledges that.
>
>Francis
Hey Jeannie,
I agree with Francis too and strongly so. But shouldn't this point be
pushed a little more to say that class cannot be reduced to
consumption,
taste, or cultural capital. Not that anyone on the list has made that
conflation but the discussion did drift immediately to consumption,
an
important topic but not the only one at stake.
If the category 'aspirational' has any analytical grip in the wake of
the
election (and I'm open to the suggestion that we have to invent new
concepts) it is in the intersection between complex processes of
social
recomposition (based partly, as Melissa notes, in the changing
relations
between work and non-work) and an ossified geography of political
representation. Where are the marginal seats? That is a key question
in
analysing the election. And, at that point, there is a need to
reintroduce
an argument about the spatial order of the city (recognising the
passage of
that order beyond simple centre/periphery distinctions). Not to
isolate the
processes of class recomposition to certain areas but to understand
how
they intersect the zero-sum game of representative democracy.
I am impressed by what Amanda says about the need for a politics of
empathy/affect within and between changing class relations/conflicts.
For
me the starting point for this would have to be the distrust of
politicians
and the disengagement with representative democratic processes
(watching
Idol instead of the debate, etc.). Perhaps there is room for opening
and
dialogue with those of us trying to understand how democratic
processes
might operate beyond (or even underneath) representation. But this
will
have to involve multiple engagements, through ethnic communities
perhaps or
everyday practices on particular sites.
Often this may be prepolitical but it can also involve a different
kind of
politics, a politics of relation. Either way it is important to
understand
how the political emerges. And how it functions in a complex media
environment with a multiplication of channels and possibilities for
connection. But here I feel we are reaching the limits of cultural
analysis.
Brett
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